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Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

In the past it is usually possible but not recommended. You would have to wait to upgrade to RC1 and not install any build in between. Then, go from RC1 to RTM. If this is a production system (and it sounds like it is) I wouldn't recommend Vista at all. If you are not willing to play a little bit and format your hard disk a few times, I think I would stay away from Beta 2.
Jeff
"Mackenzie" wrote in message

Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

Yeh, I'd agree actually. I doubt very much whether you'll be able to upgrade from the last beta build to the RTM copy. However, we'll have to see what's to come :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Jeff Warren" wrote in message

In the past it is usually possible but not recommended. You would have to wait to upgrade to RC1 and not install any build in between. Then, go from RC1 to RTM. If this is a production system (and it sounds like it is) I wouldn't recommend Vista at all. If you are not willing to play a little bit and format your hard disk a few times, I think I would stay away from Beta 2.
Jeff
"Mackenzie" wrote in message Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

Upgrades are to be avoided, period. Back it up, slick it via installing new OS "clean", restore from backup, have at it. Only install Vista Beta builds, or any Beta build for that matter, on a "SkunkWerks" computer that is not your everyday bread-and-butter computer. Unless you are the adventurous (read: reckless) type... ;-D
Lang
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"Mackenzie" wrote in message

Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

As with all beta software, it's highly recommended to get rid of it and do a clean install with the RTM. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Mackenzie" a écrit dans le message de news: 41DC2E91-66F6-4688-93C5-AC2FE0ADD481@microsoft.com... | Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and | Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be | made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my | computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta | version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

I would agree with what everyone is saying, but to make it simple, you can partition you hard disk, put you OS on drive C: and put all your files on an other drive, I even copy all my install DVDs to my second partition so I can rebuild the OS and reinstall ALL apps it not time at all.
Steve
"Mackenzie" wrote in message

Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

Its possible that build to build upgrades of the beta will be supported in the software, but the scenario is not supported or recommended since unknown problems can take place that will make it complex to diagnose issues. No, the RTM will not support upgrades from the betas/RCs. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mackenzie" wrote in message

Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

It is incorrect to say that RTM will not upgrade RC builds. This has yet to be determined.
Jeff
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Its possible that build to build upgrades of the beta will be supported in the software, but the scenario is not supported or recommended since unknown problems can take place that will make it complex to diagnose issues. No, the RTM will not support upgrades from the betas/RCs. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mackenzie" wrote in message Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

He's right - it can't work like that. RC builds are uavailable to be bases for upgrades to an RTM'd copy of any operating system.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Jeff" wrote in message

It is incorrect to say that RTM will not upgrade RC builds. This has yet to be determined.
Jeff
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Its possible that build to build upgrades of the beta will be supported in the software, but the scenario is not supported or recommended since unknown problems can take place that will make it complex to diagnose issues. No, the RTM will not support upgrades from the betas/RCs. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mackenzie" wrote in message Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

A Clean Install is Highly Recommended, just FYI.
"Mackenzie" wrote in message

Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 02:06:02 -0400, "Lang Murphy" wrote:

Upgrades are to be avoided, period. Back it up, slick it via installing new OS "clean", restore from backup, have at it. Only install Vista Beta builds, or any Beta build for that matter, on a "SkunkWerks" computer that is not your everyday bread-and-butter computer. Unless you are the adventurous (read: reckless) type... ;-D

Or types like me, who ARE adventurous AND dirt-poor. What's life like without taking chances, anyway? I can't stand eggs, either, unless I put salt on 'em.
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 02:06:02 -0400, "Lang Murphy" wrote:

Upgrades are to be avoided, period. Back it up, slick it via installing new OS "clean", restore from backup, have at it. Only install Vista Beta builds, or any Beta build for that matter, on a "SkunkWerks" computer that is not your everyday bread-and-butter computer. Unless you are the adventurous (read: reckless) type... ;-D
Lang

I guess rich folks get to take chances by going to Europe and other exotic places. Poor folks like me get to take chances by installing Beta OSes on our only production machine(s). In my case, its an Intel iMac 17" w/ OS 10.4.6, and dualbooting with XP using Apple's BootCamp software, and soon, hopefully, with Vista Beta 2 and Vista's Candidate(s).
However, being able to virtualize ANY of the three OSes side by side would provide a great opportunity to choose between solutions. Three choices: What a great concept. Three chances to make one or more Operating Systems our own. Whether we chose only one, or all three, in the end does not matter.
Even better than virtualizing three OSes would be RUNNING three OSes NATIVELY side by side each on its own display with all three using the same CPU. Physically, I am able to tri-boot with three OSes. I could use a larger internal HD, or a secondary internal HD, or both. But also as important, I would need a second Duo-Core processor, or a Quad-Core processor, or even a 64-bit Intel or clone, such as AMD 64-bit processors if I had to. If a PowerPC could run Vista natively, rather than a software virtualization kludge, it would be possible to use a Quad-Core PowerPC. If IBM had been willing to change its priorities, we would have 5 gHZ x86s Quad-Cores today.
But, most important of all, we need support from Apple, since only they produce BootCamp. If Apple will add support for multi-booting in BootCamp, many will continue using Apples to run non-Apple, but hardware compatible, OSes.
The old "carny" was right when he said, "You pays yer dime, and you takes yer chances". Probably, in his day, the dime you gave him payed for 3 chances to throw a large ring around a small bottle (and you NEVER succeeded, but alway wound up, somehow, with a small prize, a colorful gew-gaw mass-produced in Taiwan). Ah, glorious youth...
Our chances today are not so clearly defined for us. Since there there are many more choices, there are many more chances to take.
Anyway, whether it's by installing a beta on your only machine, or by taking a "deluxe" hunting trip to Darkest Africa, we're still all taking chances in life.
And as long as we are willing to take chances, life will be fun and others become easier to get along with. Take the chances away, and life suddenly loses all flavor. Remove the mystery, and life becomes dark and forboding. Take away all hope, and life simply ends, forever. Take away all honor, and life has no reward. Take away all respect, and life becomes bitter and undesirable.
Whether we install a questionable beta OS on our only precious machine, or install a beta on a thousand replaceable desktops, we are all taking chances, without which life has no meaning. The PURPOSE is in taking the best choices for US (and our families and companies, of course. Nor should we leave out those who cannot defend and take care of themselves). THAT is the American Dream in a nutshell.
Hopefully, both Microsoft and Apple will make the best choices for all of us, and not just themselves.
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Or buy another hard drive. A 300 Gig drive is about $ 99 here in the States.
steve
"Steve Drake" wrote in message

I would agree with what everyone is saying, but to make it simple, you can partition you hard disk, put you OS on drive C: and put all your files on an other drive, I even copy all my install DVDs to my second partition so I can rebuild the OS and reinstall ALL apps it not time at all.
Steve
"Mackenzie" wrote in message Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.

Hi Zack -
It is technically possible to upgrade RC builds to RTM - it always has been in the past. You can't purchase an upgrade SKU and go to RTM, but if you have the correct SKU it has always worked in the past.
Jeff
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

He's right - it can't work like that. RC builds are uavailable to be bases for upgrades to an RTM'd copy of any operating system.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Jeff" wrote in message It is incorrect to say that RTM will not upgrade RC builds. This has yet to be determined.
Jeff
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Its possible that build to build upgrades of the beta will be supported in the software, but the scenario is not supported or recommended since unknown problems can take place that will make it complex to diagnose issues. No, the RTM will not support upgrades from the betas/RCs. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mackenzie" wrote in message Is there going to be any kind of file system change between Beta (2) and Final, or will the transition from the Beta version to the Final version be made as simple as possible. I am considering downloading the Beta to my computer to see how it's working, but if it will not upgrade from the Beta version to the Final version, I don't think I want to do that.